Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/14/1995 09:08 AM House O&G

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             HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON OIL AND GAS                            
                       February 14, 1995                                       
                           9:08 a.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Representative Norman Rokeberg, Chairman                                      
 Representative Scott Ogan, Vice Chair                                         
 Representative Bill Williams                                                  
 Representative David Finkelstein                                              
                                                                               
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                
                                                                               
 Representative Gary Davis                                                     
 Representative Bettye Davis                                                   
 Representative Tom Brice                                                      
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 Overview - Division of Oil and Gas, Department of Natural Resources           
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 KEN BOYD, Acting Director                                                     
 Division of Oil and Gas                                                       
 Department of Natural Resources                                               
 P.O. Box 107034                                                               
 Anchorage, AK 99510-0734                                                      
 Telephone: (907) 762-2547                                                     
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 Tape 95-5, Side A                                                             
 Number 000                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN NORMAN ROKEBERG called the meeting to order at 10:08 a.m.            
 Committee members present were Representatives, Rokeberg, Ogan,               
 Williams, and Finkelstein.  Chairman Rokeberg declared there was a            
 quorum and the committee would hear an overview from Ken Boyd,                
 Acting Director, Division of Oil & Gas, Department of Natural                 
 Resources.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 017                                                                    
                                                                               
 KEN BOYD, Acting Director, Division of Oil and Gas, Department of             
 Natural Resources, stated that as of yesterday, he was the Acting             
 Director.  He noted several pieces of paper would be handed out to            
 the committee members, one, a rather long series of slides which              
 would be shown on the overhead projector during the presentation.             
 Also, he said he would show a documentary of recent discoveries and           
 proposed exploration drilling.  Some of the slides that would be              
 shown are slides of the North Slope and Cook Inlet which will show            
 discovery wells, and recent activity in both areas.  He stated he             
 would cover the formations, depths and production of the regions.             
 Another handout given to the committee members was a printed                  
 brochure that was used several years ago as lobbying material for             
 the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) which he would review,             
 time permitting.                                                              
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated that he would like to walk the committee through              
 the oil and gas business.  More specifically, the business of the             
 Division of Oil and Gas.  He stated that the discussion would                 
 include money, exploration and how exploration works, as well as              
 units and unitization.  He went on to say he would describe some              
 units and production figures that we have in Alaska relating to               
 existing units.  In addition to these subjects, Mr. Boyd stated               
 that the overview would also contain.  New projects that are                  
 occurring on the North Slope, and in Cook Inlet.  Mr. Boyd said               
 that he would discuss oil pricing, the Lease Sale Program, and he             
 would review incentive programs, which were passed during the last            
 legislative session, dealing with exploration licensing and                   
 exploration incentive credits.                                                
                                                                               
 Mr. Boyd began his presentation by referring to a document titled:            
 "Where Our Money Comes From."  He stated that the state's money               
 mostly comes from petroleum revenues in one form or another, and              
 the percentages listed change from year to year.  He then said the            
 numbers at the bottom of the page represented Fiscal Year (FY) 94,            
 in four separate categories:  Bonuses, rents, royalties, and taxes.           
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated that bonuses were a fairly low number in Fiscal               
 Year (FY) '94, yet was a large number in FY '93 which was over $65            
 million.  He went on to say, Bonus money was money the state                  
 received from its lease sales.  He said, generally speaking, lease            
 sales hold a fixed royalty at 12.5 percent plus a variable bonus.             
 This is a sealed bid.  The company will submit a bid for each                 
 lease, and the highest bid wins the lease.  These moneys are                  
 deposited into the general fund, permanent fund, and school fund.             
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD continued by stating that every field in Alaska has a rent           
 that  begins at $1 per acre for the first year, and goes up at a              
 rate of 50 cents per year until the rent for that particular lease            
 reaches $3 per acre.  The rent for that lease will remain at $3 per           
 acre until the termination of the lease.                                      
                                                                               
 Continuing on, MR. BOYD stated the state's share of royalties is              
 fairly consistent at 12.5 percent.                                            
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then spoke on taxes stating that the Division of Oil and             
 Gas does not do taxes even though it is a major source of revenue             
 for the state.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 109                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked Mr. Boyd if that is all taxes, both ad                
 valorem and severance taxes.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 110                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated that the answer was "Yes."                                    
                                                                               
 Number 115                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD referred to his next document entitled: "Most Oil Comes              
 Off of State Land," and said it showed the breakdown of the land              
 ownership in the state.  He went on to say, the state owned                   
 approximately 28 percent of the land, the federal government owned            
 60 percent, and 12 percent of the land was in private hands, much             
 of which is represented by Native corporations.  He stated it was             
 important to note virtually all of the oil that comes from Alaska             
 comes off of state owned land.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 128                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked about land patenting in Alaska, and whether           
 most of the sub-surface rights were retained by the state, and what           
 the problems were with public and Native land.                                
                                                                               
 Number 133                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD responded by stating the state owns the rights to the                
 sub-surface in most cases.  To answer the question about the                  
 situation regarding Native lands, Mr. Boyd stated, in the case of             
 the Caldwell Delta, the state had an agreement with the Arctic                
 Slope Regional Corporation (ASRC) in which the state shared the               
 sub-surface in varying percentages on certain leases.  He then                
 stated he was not sure he could answer the question with regards to           
 the Native lands.                                                             
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG then asked about the sub-surface "estate."                  
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD responded by stating, the sub-surface of regional and                
 village corporation lands are held by the regional corporations in            
 most cases.  CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG then asked if these were the only              
 private lands that have been conveyed after a certain date and                
 sub-surface estates were held in reserve for the state.  Mr. Boyd             
 answered by stating this was the case in the vast majority of                 
 cases.                                                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG then asked if this was the exception for Native             
 land.  MR. BOYD responded by stating there were some old lands                
 where there is private ownership of the sub-surface, but he                   
 remarked these situations were very rare.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 150                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then referred to the next document entitled: "Where Our              
 Money Goes".  He stated 50 percent has gone to the permanent fund             
 since 1979.  Prior to that it was 25 percent, and 49.5 percent goes           
 to the general fund which is available to finance various projects            
 and state spending, and finally .5 percent is dedicated to the                
 school fund.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 165                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then referred to a slide that displayed entitled: "North             
 Slope Historical and Projected Oil Production."  As the members               
 reviewed the slide they were informed by Mr. Boyd that oil                    
 production is on a steady decline.                                            
                                                                               
 Number 181                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then referred to a slide which represented the various               
 basins in Alaska.  He stated that this was a simplified picture of            
 what Alaska looks like geologically.  Mr. Boyd stated Alaska was              
 essentially made up of fifty little fragments.  He stated these               
 fragments have moved, over time, into what we now recognize as the            
 geological features of the state.  He then stated, for example, the           
 upper North Slope of Alaska was probably formed in Northern Canada,           
 and then rotated into place whereas the interior of Alaska is made            
 of lots of small fragments.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 195                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD mentioned he owned a cabin near Honolulu Creek on the                
 Parks Highway, and stated that from this cabin he could see a rock            
 formation consisting of mountains that are very red with a black              
 base.  This substance, he stated, is called devonian ophilite(ph),            
 which is a piece of oceanic crust.  This piece of terrain is 20               
 miles long and 10 miles wide, and full of gold, zinc, and other               
 exotic minerals.  This formation is unique to Alaska, he said,                
 rocks like these are only known to come from China, and nobody has            
 figured out how they got here.  He then mentioned some areas of               
 Anchorage, Talkeetna mountains, and the Chugach mountains are                 
 thought to have formed south of the Equator near Peru and have                
 rafted into place over time.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 215                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD went on, saying, the basins shown on these documents are             
 well known, but not well explored.  The primary areas of                      
 exploration are in Prudhoe Bay, the North Slope area, and Cook                
 Inlet.  He then said that there are other basins that may not be              
 familiar, such as, the Yukon-Kandik, Middle Tanana, Minchumina,               
 Holoatna, and Copper River, and others that are very poorly known             
 and very poorly explored.  Mr. Boyd stated that these areas are               
 also very expensive to explore.  Over the last few years, a program           
 was developed called Exploration Licensing, as an adjunct to a                
 lease sale program which, it is hoped, will encourage companies to            
 move into the interior of Alaska and increase exploration there.              
                                                                               
 Number 230                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked Mr. Boyd to editorialize as he read the               
 last graph which states there are 17 billion barrels of oil                   
 estimated that have yet to be discovered.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 235                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD responded the numbers were very speculative as to how much           
 oil was actually awaiting discovery.  These speculative numbers are           
 based upon looking at the seismic data provided.  He then stated              
 some of the basins in the Interior will not have any oil in them at           
 all.  Mr. Boyd then stated the conventional wisdom of the geology             
 of the interior of Alaska is that it's gas prone.  He then stated             
 we will not know for sure until the wells are explored.                       
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then displayed another slide to illustrate his point that            
 these areas need to be explored, and to inform the members about              
 the different geological features the companies will encounter when           
 drilling.  The slide was entitled: "Trapping Mechanisms."  He                 
 referred to an area on the slide, illustrated in white, called                
 "Economic Basement."  This is the layer of the earth below which              
 you will no longer find deposits of oil.  What we are finding in              
 the Interior is that there is a situation in what is called the               
 "thrust fault," where a company would drill into the basement on              
 the upper sheet of the trust fault, and then refuse to drill any              
 farther, when in fact the whole section may be obscured by the                
 section above it.  Mr. Boyd stated there are some areas like this             
 in Eastern Alaska, namely the Yukon-Kandik Basin.                             
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then remarked about one of the projects they are working             
 on using money they received from the legislature two years ago.              
 That is, taking the gravity and magnetic data, which is used in the           
 very early stages of exploration, and combine all of the data into            
 a series of maps that will soon be published.  Mr. Boyd stated they           
 hope these maps will show these relationships.  He then stated that           
 gravity and magnetic data show only "gross relationships."                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then remarked the odd thing about gravity and magnetic               
 data, which together are called "potential fuel data" because they            
 measure changes in the earth's potential field, both magnetic and             
 gravitational is they have an infinite number of solutions.  Mr.              
 Boyd stated this creates the situation where they can only build              
 models based on reasonable expectations.  However, having looked at           
 some of the data, Mr. Boyd stated he believed there are some                  
 interesting possibilities, but they are only just possibilities.              
 He then stated we will not know if there is oil in these areas                
 until we can drill.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 291                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD continued with his explanation of the four Trapping                  
 Methods, pointing out to the committee the current slide shows the            
 four basic types of Trapping Methods for oil and gas.  He added, in           
 the real world, any one trap is probably a combination of all four.           
 The simplest of the four, and the most common, is known as an                 
 Anticline.  Simply put, this type consists of rocks which have been           
 squeezed together.  He said that originally they were laid flat,              
 then over time squeezed into what may be described as an upside               
 down bowl.  Mr. Boyd then stated because oil is a light substance,            
 it accumulates in the anticline.  In addition he stated the Golar             
 Field in Saudi Arabia, which is the largest field in the world, is            
 an anticline.                                                                 
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD moved on to the next type which is fairly common called a            
 "normal fault."  He stated in this type of field, the rocks are               
 again subject to a great deal of pressure when they are squeezed              
 together.  Mr. Boyd continued stating, when the stress on the rocks           
 is released, they tend to slip downward and the oil and gas is then           
 trapped in the fault line.  This is a different type of tectonic              
 forces regime, instead of a force of tension there is a compressive           
 force.  These two types are the most common found in Alaska.                  
                                                                               
 Number 325                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then moved on to the fourth type of traps, the                       
 "stratigraphic trap."  This kind of trap is the hardest to find and           
 distinguish, and we are beginning to find, on the North Slope there           
 may be more of these than any other type.  He then said that                  
 stratigraphic exploration in Alaska is somewhat in its infancy.               
 One of the reasons the oil companies have been able to find these             
 stratigraphic traps is due to the advances in technology, in                  
 particular, Three Dimensional Seismic.  Stratigraphic traps in                
 Alaska include Sunfish, and Sourdough.                                        
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then began to explain how the oil companies determine if             
 there is oil at a particular location.  He showed the members of              
 the committee a schematic of the earth's crust taken at sea.  This            
 schematic was a picture of a marine seismic survey.  Mr. Boyd                 
 assisted the members of the committee in locating the relevant                
 portions of the schematic, then began to interpret its meaning.  He           
 stated, to obtain a schematic such as this would require a vessel             
 to pull a long cable, possibly three miles long.  This cable would            
 contain several hundred hydrophones, (pressure transducers) or air            
 guns.  When the sound wave of these air guns goes into the earth,             
 and bounces off the rock layers, the rebound then sends the sound             
 wave back up to the surface where it is recorded by the vessel and            
 translated into millions of pieces of information about the                   
 sub-surface.  This works much the same way scientists measure                 
 earthquakes.  When the information is translated, it produces a               
 picture of the sub-surface.                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then showed the members of the committee a picture which             
 was recorded in this fashion and explained the relevant section of            
 the schematic so the members could follow the rest of the                     
 presentation.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 375                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD explained to the members of the committee the numbers on             
 the side of the schematic indicated the amount of time it took for            
 the sound wave to travel through the rock layer.  He then indicated           
 that scientists use this information to interpret the geology of              
 the sub-surface.  Mr. Boyd continued, stating the geophysical                 
 observer will use several of these schematics to make a three                 
 dimensional map of the sub-surface.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 443                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD continued his review of the seismic data by stating the              
 three dimensional data, while more accurate, is also much more                
 expensive.  He added, Alaska is now beginning to become involved in           
 using three dimensional data.  This is beneficial due to the fact             
 that three dimensional data provides a much more accurate method of           
 locating stratigraphic traps.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 480                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked Mr. Boyd if the money for this system was             
 appropriated by the legislature, if so, how much.                             
                                                                               
 Number 485                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD answered Chairman Rokeberg by stating, they did in fact              
 receive a capital appropriation.  He added, they found a system               
 they liked at a trade show about one year ago.                                
                                                                               
 Number 490                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked Mr. Boyd if he knew the amount of the                 
 appropriation.  Mr. Boyd responded by stating the cost of the                 
 system was included in a large appropriation, that was used to                
 obtain data from state and private lands as well.  He then said,              
 some of the money was used to buy seismic data and some will be               
 used to buy the three dimensional system.  He then added 90 percent           
 of the seismic data is recorded using three dimensional systems.              
                                                                               
 Number 503                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG  asked if they have already purchased some of the           
 necessary hardware, if so, who did they buy it from.                          
                                                                               
 Number 510                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated they already have the hardware, and they are now              
 waiting for the software.  He added he could not remember the name            
 of the vendor, however, the equipment was IBM based.                          
                                                                               
 Number 515                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if the system was currently on line.                  
                                                                               
 Number 517                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD answered they were close to being on line.  Mr. Boyd then            
 continued with his presentation by stating the new stratigraphic              
 data can help to find new pockets of oil near existing fields.                
                                                                               
 Mr. Boyd then moved on by introducing the committee members to a              
 new slide which contained figures about the primary producing                 
 fields in Alaska.  The figures showed the production numbers for              
 these fields.  He began to read the numbers stating through 1993,             
 Prudhoe has produced 8 billion barrels of oil and contains 3.6                
 billion barrels in reserve.  He continued stating, the number of              
 recoverable barrels should go up due to some new advances in                  
 technology.                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then remarked on the massive size of the Prudhoe Bay oil             
 field in comparison with the other fields on the North Slope.  He             
 also mentioned Pt. McEntyre has been a surprising field producing             
 130,000 barrels per day when it was projected to produce only                 
 90,000 barrels per day.  In addition he stated that many of the               
 smaller fields are now on line and producing.                                 
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then informed the members about some of the new advances             
 in drilling have made these fields as productive as they are.  Mr.            
 Boyd informed the committee members about the benefits of                     
 directional drilling.  He mentioned the Niakuk field at which                 
 British Petroleum (BP) planned to build a causeway so they could              
 get to the oil.  Instead they have decided to extract the oil using           
 directional drilling.  This is accomplished by using a healed point           
 on the drill so the drill can move in several directions.  Thanks             
 to this technique, they figure that they can recover 95 percent of            
 the oil in that field.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 556                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD began to speak of the future, and fields which are not yet           
 on line.  For instance the West Sak field.  He stated this field is           
 very heavy, shallow, and cold.  The estimated recoverable reserves            
 in this field are listed as 147 million barrels of oil.  Mr. Boyd             
 then stated the amount of oil actually at West Sak is nearly 20               
 billion barrels.  However, this oil is nearly impossible to recover           
 with present technology.                                                      
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then commented on the Kuvlum field stating, although there           
 is oil at this location, there is not enough to be commercial as a            
 stand alone project.  This is not to say, however, this field will            
 never be commercial.  He then commented on the Cascade, and                   
 Sourdough fields.                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 587                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BILL WILLIAMS asked Mr. Boyd if he could explain to            
 the members of the committee what he meant by a "cold field."                 
                                                                               
 Number 590                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD responded by stating this characterization was a reference           
 to the temperature of the earth.  As you descend farther into the             
 earth's crust, the temperature rises.  Therefore, if a field is               
 characterized as a cold field, it is safe to assume it's a                    
 relatively shallow field.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 591                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if the state had any estimates on the                 
 Badami field.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 596                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. Boyd answered the range of numbers is between 100 million                 
 barrels and 150 million barrels.  They are fairly confident about             
 the 100 million barrel estimate.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 600                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if this oil was recoverable.                          
                                                                               
 Number 601                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD answered, "Yes," the estimate was recoverable.                       
                                                                               
 Number 607                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG then asked if the barrels per day estimates were            
 pumped from the test well.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 610                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated that was correct and the numbers of barrels per               
 well shows how good the well is, or how good the rocks are.  The              
 really important number is the oil reserves.  Mr. Boyd continued              
 you could have a very small reserve figure with a very good well.             
                                                                               
 Number 624                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then began a discussion of units, and unitization.  All of           
 the oil produced in Alaska comes out of units.  He then showed the            
 members a diagram of the units on the North Slope.  He stated units           
 are combinations of leases, the leases were purchased at a lease              
 sale.  He then stated this method is more environmentally sound and           
 economical due to the fact that the companies owning leases on a              
 particular unit would be able to operate out of fewer facilities.             
 By producing through common facilities, the oil companies will                
 reduce their footprint on the landscape, and reduce their                     
 individual cost of exploration, construction, and production.                 
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated there are a number of unit applications now in the            
 Division.  Probably the most commonly known is the Badami Unit.               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked Mr. Boyd to point out the location of the             
 Badami Unit on the map.  Mr. Boyd did so, and explained the Badami            
 region is only a prospective unit.                                            
                                                                               
 Number 650                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then stated he would now begin a difficult subject, the              
 price of oil, and the way the price is calculated.  He mentioned              
 the overview was given by Chuck Logsdon the previous week, and                
 stated this was really Mr. Logsdon's field, but he would try to               
 explain the process adequately.  He then stated he would give the             
 members a very general overview on the process used to price                  
 Alaska's oil.                                                                 
                                                                               
 To begin MR. BOYD stated that in the United States there are many             
 places where the oil is priced at the wellhead.  This is not the              
 case for Alaska.  The oil produced here is transported through a              
 pipeline then loaded onto tanker ships for transport to its final             
 destination.  Therefore, in order to get the royalty value of oil,            
 you must net the price back to the wellhead.                                  
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then called the members attention to another slide.  Mr.             
 Boyd then began to explain in detail the slide.  Starting on the              
 West coast there was a series of royalty settlements which went on            
 between ARCO, BP, and EXXON.  These were settled an 1991 and 1992.            
 As a result of this, there was a settlement for the past where we             
 determined that the companies owed us a total of $700 million                 
 between the three companies.  More importantly, it set a value for            
 determining oil prices in the future.  Mr. Boyd stated this was               
 different for each company; in basic terms, consists of a base                
 value in the basket of seven types of crude oil from around the               
 world.                                                                        
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD said in their various proportions, these seven types of              
 crude oil are meant to approximate the characteristics of North               
 Slope crude oil.  There are various multiplying effects, and                  
 quality bank effects among other things which then determine a base           
 price on the West Coast.  He then said, from this price they                  
 subtracted transportation costs, for the West Coast they typically            
 run from $1 to $1.50 per barrel, and on the Gulf Coast $4.25 to               
 $5.50.  You subtract that number off whatever number you have                 
 determined as your royalty calculation.  This will give you a base            
 number from which to work.  The next step in the process is the tax           
 tariffs.  Currently the number, which also changes every year, is             
 $3.61.  The field costs are also calculated into this equation;               
 field costs are the costs of cleaning and dehydrating the oil in              
 the field.  The 83 cent cost represented on the chart is the number           
 currently used at the Prudhoe Bay field.  Mr. Boyd stated he                  
 believed the cost for the Kuparuk field is 42 cents.  When you net            
 the price back to the wellhead before you calculate your royalty,             
 if you start out at $16 per barrel, you will wind up with $10 or              
 $11 per barrel, and that is the number on which our royalty is                
 calculated.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 697                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG stated there had been a request for a brief                 
 recess.  At 10:55 a.m. Chairman Rokeberg called a five minute                 
 recess.                                                                       
                                                                               
 TAPE 95-5, SIDE B                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 700                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG reconvened the committee meeting at 11:00 a.m..             
 He asked Mr. Boyd to continue his presentation.                               
                                                                               
 Number 707                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD began this portion of his presentation by informing the              
 members of the committee about some recent activity on the North              
 Slope, and in Cook Inlet.  He referred to another handout which               
 would describe this activity entitled: "Summary of Recent                     
 Discoveries and Proposed New Exploration Drilling."  He stated he             
 wanted to point out a couple of discoveries mentioned in the                  
 report.  CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked what the date of the slide was.              
 Mr. Boyd answered the slide was recently taken.  Chairman Rokeberg            
 then asked if there were any plans to drill in the Kuvlum region.             
 Mr. Boyd then said there were no plans to drill at this time, and             
 that these were just announced discoveries.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 760                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then began discussing prospects in the Badami Region.  He            
 stated there are two wells at Badami which have been certified as             
 being capable of production.  Other recent discoveries include BP's           
 Cascade well south of the Milne Point unit.                                   
                                                                               
 One of the most interesting areas according to Mr. Boyd is the                
 Colville Delta region.  He stated there has been a lot of activity            
 there in the last few years, there has been a substantial amount of           
 drilling done by ARCO.  He stated there are two wells there now,              
 the Alpine well is drilling now and the second will be drilling in            
 a few weeks.  He then stated if the season lasts long enough, they            
 will try to drill a third well.  Mr. Boyd then stated that there              
 has been a lot of searching in this area for stratigraphic pockets            
 of oil.                                                                       
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then showed the members a new slide which displayed the              
 regions of Cook Inlet.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 801                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if it was true the southerly wells,                   
 Amethyst, and Big Ben were already drilled, yet not very                      
 successful.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 803                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated the chairman was correct.  Mr. Boyd then explained            
 some of the geology of the Brooks Range.  He stated the Brooks                
 Range was an excellent example of a thrust fault.  He continued by            
 stating, there is compression in the thrust faults, and it is this            
 compression that leads to the eventual formation of oil pockets in            
 the ground.  He then stated, conventional wisdom says that the                
 Brooks Range is gas prone, and exploration opportunities for gas in           
 the Brooks Range looks wide open.                                             
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then returned to briefing the members about the situation            
 in Cook Inlet.  He stated there was not a lot of good news to                 
 report.  This is mostly due to the Sunfish well.  The companies               
 have been in this area for nearly 20 years, and ARCO thought they             
 had found a new formation.  Initial results in drilling looked                
 promising, however, after a three dimensional seismic survey was              
 completed, the project was abandoned by ARCO.  There are some                 
 companies that have maintained their ownership however.  He then              
 stated ARCO will be drilling next spring in a joint venture with              
 CIRI.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 850                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG  asked if this would be a gas well.                         
                                                                               
 Number 851                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated he did not know due to the fact that it was on                
 Native land.                                                                  
 Mr. Boyd then mentioned there was a request put into the                      
 legislature about two sessions ago to acquire some money so they              
 could drill a well in the Wasilla area to test for "coalbed                   
 methane".  He stated coalbed methane is a substance that occurs in            
 coal itself.  He went on to say coalbed methane is widely produced            
 in the United States in places like the Black Warrior Basin, and              
 that it is a real resource.  Mr. Boyd continued by stating there is           
 a lot of coal in the lower Susitna valley, in fact, Alaska has half           
 of the coal in the United States.  They asked the legislature for             
 enough money to drill two wells, and they received enough to drill            
 one well.  In addition, they saved some of that money by using a              
 drill owned by the United States Geological Survey.  He then stated           
 they drilled a well outside of Wasilla.  He said the well was a               
 "continuous core" well, which means they were constantly pulling              
 material out of the well.  They shipped the coal to the University            
 of Alaska Fairbanks where there is an excellent facility for                  
 analyzing the material.                                                       
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated the results of the tests show there is a very high            
 potential to produce coalbed methane.  Mr. Boyd added, one well               
 doesn't prove anything other than there is good quality coal in               
 that one well.  What is needed is a program to test other wells in            
 the area.  Mr. Boyd then commented he had heard Community and                 
 Regional Affairs was looking at coalbed methane as a resource for             
 villages in the Interior.  He then remarked that this would be a              
 long term project needing lots of planning, yet the well has                  
 produced a lot of enthusiasm.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 910                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT OGAN asked about the extent of coalbeds in the           
 area.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 919                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated the coal is mapped over a very wide area.  He was             
 not able to answer the question in terms of acreage, but he stated            
 that he would send a copy of the report which will show the extent            
 of the coal bed.  Mr. Boyd also mentioned the map is fairly                   
 accurate.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 934                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE OGAN then requested some information specifically on           
 coalbed methane as well.  Mr. Boyd agreed to send the information.            
                                                                               
 Number 940                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked Mr. Boyd about access of the lands to                 
 private investors or developers.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 945                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated the chairman's question was an excellent one.  He             
 then stated this subject has been a problem in the past.  The main            
 question is, who owns the gas.  In other terms, does the owner of             
 the coal estate own the gas, or does the gas belong to the oil                
 companies?  He then said that he did not know the answer to that              
 question but, different states have produced different rulings on             
 this issue.  Mr. Boyd then explained they are working with the                
 Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (AOGCC)to develop some             
 statutes which will help to determine what the ownership of this              
 resource will be.  He stated there is another question, that is,              
 what kind of well is a coalbed methane well?  If it is an on shore            
 well for oil and gas, then it requires a $1 million bond.  Mr. Boyd           
 stated this is not really an oil and gas well, it is really a core            
 hole, which is a well that takes a core of coal to retrieve any gas           
 that may be in the coal.  Mr. Boyd stated, if this is the case then           
 it governed by an entirely different set of statutes.                         
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD restated they have met with the AOGCC to determine what              
 type of well this is.  He then remarked there are no statutes                 
 currently covering this type of well.  Mr. Boyd then apologized               
 that he could not answer the question because the state can not               
 answer the question for itself.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 982                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG then asked if there were existing leases in the             
 coal estates in terms of the sub-surface that have already conveyed           
 title for some of the lands.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 985                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated he was not familiar with that.  He stated there has           
 been leasing in the area, for oil and gas, which could be used for            
 coalbed methane exploration.  But the uncertainty as to ownership             
 must be cleared up first.  ARCO drilled a well a couple of years              
 ago called the BLT (Big Lake Test) and found some conventional gas,           
 but there were bad flow rates in the well.                                    
                                                                               
 Number 004                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD moved on with the presentation by discussing the new Oil             
 and Gas Leasing Program.  He stated the concentration was on the              
 North Slope, and in Cook Inlet.  In 1995, there are three sales               
 scheduled.  The first of the three is in the Yakataga area near the           
 Gulf of Alaska.  The comment period for the preliminary finding on            
 this area has been completed, and are now working on the final                
 finding for this area.  This is an historic sale due to the fact              
 that it is the first finding that has come out under the provisions           
 of SB 308 enacted last session giving the director guidance as to             
 how he should make decisions.                                                 
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD said the second sale is a Cook Inlet reoffering sale.                
 This was put on the schedule only recently.  This sale covers is              
 scheduled for October.  Mr. Boyd then explained to the members what           
 a reoffering sale was.  He stated a reoffering sale consists of               
 basically leftover land, or previously leased lands.                          
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD explained the third is a North Slope sale in the Shaviovik           
 region adjacent to ANWR.  Mr. Boyd pointed out the area on the map.           
 He then stated that this is an area of interest.  He pointed out              
 there are fewer sales taking place, but they are larger sales thaN            
 in the past.                                                                  
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD introduced another slide which displayed the five year               
 schedule for lease sales in a time format.  He stated they are                
 always gathering information for future sales.  They are gathering            
 comments dealing with areas that should be leased, from not only              
 the oil and gas industry, but also from the public.  Mr. Boyd then            
 served notice to the committee members that this schedule is                  
 subject to change.                                                            
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then said that the Lease Sale Program has been very                  
 successful, and is the backbone of the state's income.  However,              
 they have offered areas in the interior of Alaska, yet there is not           
 much interest in exploration and development there.  Mr. Boyd                 
 stated the reason for this is the leases are limited to 5,760                 
 acres.  This may work on the North Slope and Cook Inlet where there           
 are well known oil provinces and the competition is high, in the              
 interior of Alaska, however, where there are tiny blocks of                   
 ownership nothing will ever get done.                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then stated we must look at the way other oil producing              
 countries get rid of their land.  He stated that this was done                
 through licensing.  The bottom line here is, last session the                 
 legislature passed the oil and gas exploration licensing bill.                
 This is a program focused on the interior of Alaska.  In this                 
 program, the North Slope and Cook Inlet are strictly off limits.              
 The real feature of the program is that it allows large amounts of            
 land to be put into the explorer's hands, anywhere from 10,000                
 acres to 500,000 acres with a limit of two million acres to be held           
 under license.  Mr. Boyd stated this was a program which allows a             
 person or company to go to a place like the Copper River Basin and            
 pick up a couple of hundred thousand acres, and have the exclusive            
 right to explore.                                                             
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then stated the state does receive something out of this             
 deal.  In return for the exclusive right to explore, the state will           
 receive a commitment from the company or person for a certain                 
 dollar amount of exploration on that land.  Currently, when a                 
 conventional lease is given, there is no obligation for the company           
 to do anything.  The way that a company holds onto a conventional             
 lease is by drilling a well that is capable of production.  Mr.               
 Boyd continued by stating at this time, they are writing the                  
 regulations for this program.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 120                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then spoke about the Exploration Incentive Credits (EIC)             
 Program that was passed by the legislature.  Under current                    
 statutes, there is now the ability to offer incentive credits on              
 leased state land.  The way this program works is before a lease              
 sale, the commissioner is given a briefing on the area to be                  
 leased.  The briefing consists of the seismic data, the geological            
 information, and they discuss the terms that should accompany the             
 lease.  Mr. Boyd stated the terms quite often consist of a 12.5               
 percent royalty with a variable bonus.  There are areas, however,             
 that are remote enough to warrant exploration incentive credits.              
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated this program is at the discretion of the                      
 commissioner.  Exploration incentive credits is a number of                   
 dollars, per foot, of a well drilled, up to a certain percentage of           
 allowable cost, which is often 20 to 25 percent.  The other                   
 variable which is put on exploration incentive credits is that it             
 has to be done in a certain amount of time.  The terms of the                 
 leases on the slope were generally ten years.  With the exploration           
 incentive credits the state may give the company $100, per foot,              
 and 20 percent of the well cost with the stipulation that this must           
 be done in the first five years.                                              
                                                                               
 MR BOYD then stated this new program is different, it is an                   
 extension of the original program in the sense that it allows for             
 exploration incentive credits on unleased state land and private              
 land.  It must also be noted there is a $30 million cap on this               
 program over a period of ten years, and a limit of $5 million per             
 project.  He then stated the regulations need to be finished and              
 the program will be near completion.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 165                                                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked Mr. Boyd about the time it has taken to               
 write the regulations.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 170                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated there were two programs; he mentioned the                     
 Exploration Incentive Credit Program for leased state land is                 
 nearly 12 years old, while this program was passed by the                     
 legislature and signed by the Governor last session.                          
 Chairman Rokeberg asked Mr. Boyd to differentiate between the two.            
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD responded the current statute is only available on leased            
 land, the new program is only available on unleased and private               
 land.  This program is separate and distinct from the existing                
 program.                                                                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG then asked if there was a term they were using to           
 differentiate between the two programs.                                       
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD answered by stating there was no term other than the "new            
 EIC Program".                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 185                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE OGAN asked if the Incentive Credit Program and the             
 Oil and Gas Exploration License Program are in House regulations or           
 statutes created by the legislature.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 192                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD answered by stating there were laws enacted by the                   
 legislature.  He also stated they were drafting regulations to meet           
 the requirements of the laws.  He added, the regulations are really           
 just road maps to the this law.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 197                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE OGAN asked how long ago these programs were                    
 introduced.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 200                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated the concept of these programs was introduced about            
 three years ago.  They were passed at the end of the last session.            
                                                                               
 Number 206                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG then inquired as to the names of the two pieces             
 of legislation that passed.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 209                                                                    
 MR. BOYD stated the exploration licensing bill was HB 199, and the            
 incentive credit bill was SB 151.                                             
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then began to explain some plans for the future in regards           
 to ANWR.  He refereed to "Reduced Impacts & Enhanced Environmental            
 Protection," and said this material explains why the footprint                
 would be much smaller in ANWR than it is in Prudhoe or Kaparuk.  It           
 starts out showing directional drilling and how it has evolved over           
 time.  The literature then explains how the drill sites have gotten           
 smaller as well as the service areas and gravel pads that are no              
 longer needed.  This is accomplished by grinding up the material              
 that is expelled by the well, and then re-injected back into the              
 well.  This has helped to shrink the size of the pads and it                  
 doesn't leave any material behind.                                            
                                                                               
 Number 250                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if this was accomplished at the well, or at           
 another facility.                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 251                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD responded the process is sometimes completed at the well.            
 There is a portable unit for grinding the debris.  More often the             
 debris is trucked to a mill where it is ground.                               
                                                                               
 Number 263                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked about the well which has been drilled                 
 within the boundaries of ANWR, and also requested information about           
 a "tight hole".                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 265                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated the well was drilled by BP-Chevron, and is probably           
 one of the tightest holes in the world.  The companies drilled                
 under complete secrecy, and the well is still held confidential by            
 BP and Chevron.  The well was drilled on private land in the region           
 which allowed the companies to drill within the boundaries of ANWR.           
                                                                               
 Number 275                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked why there has not been any further                    
 development.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 276                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD responded by stating it is difficult to move the oil.  He            
 then stated the state did win the right to see the well through a             
 Supreme Court ruling.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 294                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG then asked if the Kaktovik/Inupiat Corporation              
 (KIC) well was abandoned.                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 300                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD answered the well was abandoned.  At this time, Mr. Boyd             
 stated he was through with the presentation, and would answer any             
 questions.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 305                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked about the requirements for tight hole                 
 wells.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 306                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated they have one month from the time the well is                 
 abandoned to provide the data.  From that time, the well is held              
 confidential for two years.  At the end of that time, the well data           
 becomes available except and unless the company can prove or show             
 it is within three miles of unleased state land or that there is              
 some specific geological condition that the company can receive               
 extended confidentiality for.                                                 
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD then stated under the new Exploration Incentive Credit               
 Program they have removed the ability to hold wells on extended               
 confidentiality.  That is, if you take a state credit, you must               
 release the well in two years.  These statutes and regulations are            
 from the Department of Natural Resources under Title 38, and under            
 AOGCC regulations.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 320                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if the KIC well had a different set of                
 circumstances because it was not on state land.                               
                                                                               
 Number 322                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated Chairman Rokeberg was correct, and there were                 
 differences because the well was drilled on Native land.  He then             
 stated he is the only person from the division to see the well.               
 This was due to the Supreme Court decision.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 335                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if this was the State Supreme Court or the            
 Federal Supreme Court.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 337                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BOYD stated it was a Federal Supreme Court case.                          
                                                                               
 Number 338                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG thanked Mr. Boyd for his presentation.  He then             
 asked if there were any other questions from the committee members.           
 Hearing none, Chairman Rokeberg declared the committee stands                 
 adjourned at 11:45 a.m.                                                       
                                                                               

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